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Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific version of
Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions of
it's dependencies each release needs.
I propose to create a page on the wiki to record this information, so
this is where I need help from the list.
What versions of Yaws and Erlang does ErlyWeb 0.7 require?
I seem to recall Yariv saying that ErlyWeb 0.7 was compiled against
Yaws 1.73, is this correct. What is the minimum or recommended version
of Erlang to be used?
I did just update to 1.74, so I have gone through the upgrade process
and will be writing that up next. It's a busy life being a documenter!
Thanks folks,
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> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific version of
> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions of
> it's dependencies each release needs.
You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple) than
trying to track all of that
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:48 pm |
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If that's the case, should we think about including yaws with erlyweb
releases? Seems like that would help new people get over the hump.
--Kevin
On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David King wrote:
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>> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific version of
>> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions of
>> it's dependencies each release needs.
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> You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple) than
> trying to track all of that
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:21 pm |
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I agree that compiling is simple, but it's still an extra step. How
hard would it be to create a new users package containing Yaws and
ErlyWeb?
I suspect (no data to back this up, except my own experience and the
tone of various conversations that I've followed on the 'net) that
most potential new users are lost by projects over non-simple
installation and lack of good starter tutorials.
I am trying to help with the document part, can any of you clever
folks out there create a Yaws/ErlyWeb combined package? Are there
other ways to ease the install?
Simon
On Jan 1, 2008 1:47 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
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> If that's the case, should we think about including yaws with erlyweb
> releases? Seems like that would help new people get over the hump.
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> --Kevin
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> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David King wrote:
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> >
> >> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific version of
> >> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions of
> >> it's dependencies each release needs.
> >
> > You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple) than
> > trying to track all of that
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> >
> > >
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:26 am |
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What kind of package are we talking about? A tarball with some
makefile magic to make the build/install easier? Or something more
comprehensive? If it's a tarball and makefile combo, I'd be willing to
put that together.
--Kevin
On Jan 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Simon Chappell wrote:
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> I agree that compiling is simple, but it's still an extra step. How
> hard would it be to create a new users package containing Yaws and
> ErlyWeb?
>
> I suspect (no data to back this up, except my own experience and the
> tone of various conversations that I've followed on the 'net) that
> most potential new users are lost by projects over non-simple
> installation and lack of good starter tutorials.
>
> I am trying to help with the document part, can any of you clever
> folks out there create a Yaws/ErlyWeb combined package? Are there
> other ways to ease the install?
>
> Simon
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> On Jan 1, 2008 1:47 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
> wrote:
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>> If that's the case, should we think about including yaws with erlyweb
>> releases? Seems like that would help new people get over the hump.
>>
>> --Kevin
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David King wrote:
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>>>
>>>> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific
>>>> version of
>>>> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions of
>>>> it's dependencies each release needs.
>>>
>>> You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple) than
>>> trying to track all of that
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:26 am |
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The honest answer is that I don't know. We're still brainstorming here.
Why don't you try the tarball/makefile combo and we'll see if that
gets us to newbie ease of use.
Simon
On Jan 1, 2008 7:25 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
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> What kind of package are we talking about? A tarball with some
> makefile magic to make the build/install easier? Or something more
> comprehensive? If it's a tarball and makefile combo, I'd be willing to
> put that together.
>
> --Kevin
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Simon Chappell wrote:
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> >
> > I agree that compiling is simple, but it's still an extra step. How
> > hard would it be to create a new users package containing Yaws and
> > ErlyWeb?
> >
> > I suspect (no data to back this up, except my own experience and the
> > tone of various conversations that I've followed on the 'net) that
> > most potential new users are lost by projects over non-simple
> > installation and lack of good starter tutorials.
> >
> > I am trying to help with the document part, can any of you clever
> > folks out there create a Yaws/ErlyWeb combined package? Are there
> > other ways to ease the install?
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> > On Jan 1, 2008 1:47 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If that's the case, should we think about including yaws with erlyweb
> >> releases? Seems like that would help new people get over the hump.
> >>
> >> --Kevin
> >>
> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David King wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific
> >>>> version of
> >>>> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions of
> >>>> it's dependencies each release needs.
> >>>
> >>> You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple) than
> >>> trying to track all of that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:29 am |
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I can give that a try.
The previous email came off a little strong so I apologize if I
implied that you had the answer. I wasn't expecting anyone to have
figured it out. We're all in the brainstorming phase. I was throwing
out the tarball/makefile combo as an idea. What I think erlang is
missing in general is a packaging system like Ruby's gems or Python's
eggs. The process-one guys have developed CEAN but it hasn't seemed to
get a lot of traction yet.
--Kevin
On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Simon Chappell wrote:
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> The honest answer is that I don't know. We're still brainstorming
> here.
>
> Why don't you try the tarball/makefile combo and we'll see if that
> gets us to newbie ease of use.
>
> Simon
>
> On Jan 1, 2008 7:25 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> What kind of package are we talking about? A tarball with some
>> makefile magic to make the build/install easier? Or something more
>> comprehensive? If it's a tarball and makefile combo, I'd be willing
>> to
>> put that together.
>>
>> --Kevin
>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Simon Chappell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I agree that compiling is simple, but it's still an extra step. How
>>> hard would it be to create a new users package containing Yaws and
>>> ErlyWeb?
>>>
>>> I suspect (no data to back this up, except my own experience and the
>>> tone of various conversations that I've followed on the 'net) that
>>> most potential new users are lost by projects over non-simple
>>> installation and lack of good starter tutorials.
>>>
>>> I am trying to help with the document part, can any of you clever
>>> folks out there create a Yaws/ErlyWeb combined package? Are there
>>> other ways to ease the install?
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:47 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If that's the case, should we think about including yaws with
>>>> erlyweb
>>>> releases? Seems like that would help new people get over the hump.
>>>>
>>>> --Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David King wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific
>>>>>> version of
>>>>>> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> it's dependencies each release needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple)
>>>>> than
>>>>> trying to track all of that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:59 am |
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I think a CEAN-based solution would be really nice. Ideally, all you'd
have to do would be to run
cean:install(erlyweb).
and all the dependencies would be fetched and installed for you.
Another option is to have ErlyWeb could check the Yaws version it's
running on an throw an error if it's not up do date.
Yariv
On Jan 1, 2008 7:27 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
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> I can give that a try.
>
> The previous email came off a little strong so I apologize if I
> implied that you had the answer. I wasn't expecting anyone to have
> figured it out. We're all in the brainstorming phase. I was throwing
> out the tarball/makefile combo as an idea. What I think erlang is
> missing in general is a packaging system like Ruby's gems or Python's
> eggs. The process-one guys have developed CEAN but it hasn't seemed to
> get a lot of traction yet.
>
> --Kevin
>
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:42 PM, Simon Chappell wrote:
>
> >
> > The honest answer is that I don't know. We're still brainstorming
> > here.
> >
> > Why don't you try the tarball/makefile combo and we'll see if that
> > gets us to newbie ease of use.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > On Jan 1, 2008 7:25 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> What kind of package are we talking about? A tarball with some
> >> makefile magic to make the build/install easier? Or something more
> >> comprehensive? If it's a tarball and makefile combo, I'd be willing
> >> to
> >> put that together.
> >>
> >> --Kevin
> >> On Jan 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Simon Chappell wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I agree that compiling is simple, but it's still an extra step. How
> >>> hard would it be to create a new users package containing Yaws and
> >>> ErlyWeb?
> >>>
> >>> I suspect (no data to back this up, except my own experience and the
> >>> tone of various conversations that I've followed on the 'net) that
> >>> most potential new users are lost by projects over non-simple
> >>> installation and lack of good starter tutorials.
> >>>
> >>> I am trying to help with the document part, can any of you clever
> >>> folks out there create a Yaws/ErlyWeb combined package? Are there
> >>> other ways to ease the install?
> >>>
> >>> Simon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 1, 2008 1:47 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> If that's the case, should we think about including yaws with
> >>>> erlyweb
> >>>> releases? Seems like that would help new people get over the hump.
> >>>>
> >>>> --Kevin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David King wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Given the fact that ErlyWeb is compiled against a specific
> >>>>>> version of
> >>>>>> Yaws, it seems like it would be useful to record which versions
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> it's dependencies each release needs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You might be better off just compiling it (it's pretty simple)
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> trying to track all of that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
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On Jan 1, 2008 9:27 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
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> I can give that a try.
Wonderful. Thank you.
> The previous email came off a little strong so I apologize if I
> implied that you had the answer. I wasn't expecting anyone to have
No problem. No offense taken.
> figured it out. We're all in the brainstorming phase. I was throwing
> out the tarball/makefile combo as an idea. What I think erlang is
> missing in general is a packaging system like Ruby's gems or Python's
> eggs. The process-one guys have developed CEAN but it hasn't seemed to
> get a lot of traction yet.
A packaging system does seem to be a useful thing. I admit that I
haven't used CEAN at all, although I had heard of it . Are there
any tutorials or new user guides? Is it possible to install everything
we're using here from CEAN?
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On Jan 1, 2008 9:58 PM, Yariv Sadan <yarivsadan@gmail.com> wrote:
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* snip *
> Another option is to have ErlyWeb could check the Yaws version it's
> running on an throw an error if it's not up do date.
Is that doable? Could ErlyWeb be given a version number that was
checkable programatically and also minimum required Erlang and Yaws
version numbers and an ability to fail if the dependencies were below
the required level? That'd be a start towards good dependency
management.
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Off the top of my head, we'd need:
mysql driver
postgresql driver
mnesia driver
erlyweb or erlyweb & erlydb
yaws
Have I missed any?
I'm trying to search CEAN's packaging archives to see what's available
but it's down right now 
Looking at the format of their .pub flie (analogous to a spec file for
RPMs) one thing I notice is the lack of a "provides" or "feature"
field. This is really useful when you have several different packages
which provide the same basic feature but are specialized in some way.
The best example of this would be the database drivers. If I was going
to package up erlydb I'd want the packages to require some sort of "db-
driver" feature which would be provided by all 3 of the driver
packages (mysql, postgresql, mnesia). Without that the only way I can
think to do it would be to have erlydb-postgres, erlydb-mysql, and
erlydb-mnesia which seems like a pretty ugly hack to me.
Another thought I had was to factor out the dependency on yaws from
erlyweb into a separate module. This would isolate the code changes
required for a specific yaws build. You could install, say,
erlyweb-0.7, Yaws-1.90, and erlyweb-yaws-adapter-0.3 and get a working
system. If yaws were upgraded/downgraded theoretically you'd only need
to install a new adapter.
--Kevin
On Jan 2, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Simon Chappell wrote:
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> On Jan 1, 2008 9:27 PM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I can give that a try.
>
> Wonderful. Thank you.
>
>> The previous email came off a little strong so I apologize if I
>> implied that you had the answer. I wasn't expecting anyone to have
>
> No problem. No offense taken.
>
>> figured it out. We're all in the brainstorming phase. I was throwing
>> out the tarball/makefile combo as an idea. What I think erlang is
>> missing in general is a packaging system like Ruby's gems or Python's
>> eggs. The process-one guys have developed CEAN but it hasn't seemed
>> to
>> get a lot of traction yet.
>
> A packaging system does seem to be a useful thing. I admit that I
> haven't used CEAN at all, although I had heard of it . Are there
> any tutorials or new user guides? Is it possible to install everything
> we're using here from CEAN?
>
> Simon
>
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> Another thought I had was to factor out the dependency on yaws from
> erlyweb into a separate module. This would isolate the code changes
> required for a specific yaws build. You could install, say,
> erlyweb-0.7, Yaws-1.90, and erlyweb-yaws-adapter-0.3 and get a working
> system. If yaws were upgraded/downgraded theoretically you'd only need
> to install a new adapter.
There's http://code.google.com/p/ewgi/ that could probably be helpful in this.
Also see this discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/mochiweb/t/eb7fdaf655793bf6?hl=en
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ewgi looks promising.
/me wanders off to take a look
On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Dmitrii Dimandt wrote:
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>> Another thought I had was to factor out the dependency on yaws from
>> erlyweb into a separate module. This would isolate the code changes
>> required for a specific yaws build. You could install, say,
>> erlyweb-0.7, Yaws-1.90, and erlyweb-yaws-adapter-0.3 and get a
>> working
>> system. If yaws were upgraded/downgraded theoretically you'd only
>> need
>> to install a new adapter.
>
> There's http://code.google.com/p/ewgi/ that could probably be
> helpful in this.
> Also see this discussion:
> http://groups.google.com/group/mochiweb/t/eb7fdaf655793bf6?hl=en
>
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:49 pm |
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On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
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> Off the top of my head, we'd need:
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> mysql driver
> postgresql driver
> mnesia driver
> erlyweb or erlyweb & erlydb
> yaws
Eeek! I thought it was going too well. I'll need to figure out how to
install these as well then.
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The first 4 items are bundled with ErlyWeb.
On Jan 2, 2008 10:48 AM, Simon Chappell <simonpeterchappell@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Jan 2, 2008 9:23 AM, Kevin A. Smith <kevin@hypotheticalabs.com> wrote:
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> > Off the top of my head, we'd need:
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> > mysql driver
> > postgresql driver
> > mnesia driver
> > erlyweb or erlyweb & erlydb
> > yaws
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> Eeek! I thought it was going too well. I'll need to figure out how to
> install these as well then.
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> Simon
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